Off Topic » UK/EU Brexit agreement goes down in flames

I just heard on the news that the UK Parliament today voted down, by a large margin, the Brexit/EU agreement negotiated by PM May. This means that the UK will drop out of the EU at the end of March without there being any agreement regarding economic, travel, or political arrangements, between countries in Europe and the UK. This really has the potential to affect everyone in the UK in a bad way if a solution can't be found somehow. It might even start a worldwide recession.

I bet just getting European motorcycles, like BMWs, and parts into the UK this summer is not going to be any fun, just to name one relatively minor issue.

I just hope the people who brought votes against this deal with Europe can sleep at night, i hope there constituents remember this and vote accordingly at the next election,

That's my tuppence worth,


Ged

I get very little information about what is going on in the rest of the world here in my SF Bay Area bubble. When I heard that news item today I was really interested in knowing more about the subject from people who are closer to the situation than I am. As someone who has bought 45 motorcycles over the past 57 years, only one of which was built in the U.S., I have always had an interest in trade relationships between countries. I am trying to imagine how a "hard" Brexit might work and would like to follow these events that to me seem so potentially complicated that I can't figure out how they might be solved in the near future. Our news media thinks that there is no hope of having another Brexit election before the end of March and it is the opinion of some of our reporters that any case the two political parties won't be able to make a decision to do so. Sounds like of familiar to me, here in the U.S. right now.

Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #4

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I get very little information about what is going on in the rest of the world here in my SF Bay Area bubble. When I heard that news item today I was really interested in knowing more about the subject from people who are closer to the situation than I am. As someone who has bought 45 motorcycles over the past 57 years, only one of which was built in the U.S., I have always had an interest in trade relationships between countries. I am trying to imagine how a "hard" Brexit might work and would like to follow these events that to me seem so potentially complicated that I can't figure out how they might be solved in the near future. Our news media thinks that there is no hope of having another Brexit election before the end of March and it is the opinion of some of our reporters that any case the two political parties won't be able to make a decision to do so. Sounds like of familiar to me, here in the U.S. right now.

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Thanks Boxter. That was news to me. So far on our TV news media the only additional information that I have heard is that May will have another vote of "no confidence" tomorrow.

I hope the UK can work things out. Unfortunately we rarely get the details of world news, just the sound bites. I guess I need to track down a BBC news program to learn more about the situation. No doubt my morning newspaper will also have more details tomorrow. At least I hope that is the case.

You can fill whole forums with Brexit discussions, and I agree with Wessie, let's not do it here...

But yes, the BBC is a very good and reliable source of news (https://www.bbc.com/news) or the Economist (https://www.economist.com/) or even the international CNN site.

This word is banned in our world of people.

Guaranteed, that nothing will change with that word. Our lives will still be the same.

It’s a subversive fear tactic. Take the for example in the last two weeks.
1. The builder doing our garage “material prices COULD be going up in summer because of that word”
2. Buying my son who turns 17 next month a Honda Grom “better order now as exchange rates MIGHT increase because of that word”.
3. Our estate agent “that word could effect the lending market” What of? The made up money they produce when lending in the first place...

Take our lovely bikes for example, do you think BMW are going to accept any import duties, due to that word, for any of there thousands of vehicles coming into the UK? All there dealerships shutting down here. Or any other corporation for that matter.

BBC, CNN and any other mainstream just constantly inform what the government want to scaremonger all with. Google anything you want in the UK, guaranteed on page one is the BBC, Daily Mail, The Gaurdian ect ect, all news provided to them by just two companies, Reuters and AP. You have to go to page 20 to get the real information.

Don’t get all your information or rather disinformation from this mainstream source. Do you own research into the true meaning, of that word, it goes back further than you think.

I watched the BBC World News program on Public TV last night. The first 20 minutes was about the Brexit vote. What I gathered from the program was that PM May will survive the "no confidence" vote today (likely because no one else wants the job right now), there is something called a "soft Brexit", the deadline for exiting might be extended, or there might be a new Brexit vote. Whether or not any of those things can happen by March 29 seems to be questionable.

The other thing I learned is that at least the UK Parliament gets to vote on unpopular proposals, unlike here in the U.S. where none of our legislators want to vote on something controversial, as that might be held against them when they come up for reelection. In the meantime, I assume that the dictators of the world, in Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, etc. are really enjoying our democracies shooting themselves in the foot trying to make decisions and run our countries.

I guess what we are going through right now with our "partial government shutdown" in the U.S. is making me (and a lot of other people) kind of crazy. Still, I am interested in these issues in the hopes of discovering how they can be resolved. I also wish that our leaders would learn something about solving future problems and issues from these experiences, but likely that is too much to hope for.

Zitat von CJ the Bear im Beitrag #8

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BBC, CNN and any other mainstream just constantly inform what the government want to scaremonger all with. Google anything you want in the UK, guaranteed on page one is the BBC, Daily Mail, The Gaurdian ect ect, all news provided to them by just two companies, Reuters and AP. You have to go to page 20 to get the real information.

Don’t get all your information or rather disinformation from this mainstream source. Do you own research into the true meaning, of that word, it goes back further than you think.

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #9

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I watched the BBC World News program on Public TV last night. The first 20 minutes was about the Brexit vote. What I gathered from the program was that PM May will survive the "no confidence" vote today (likely because no one else wants the job right now), there is something called a "soft Brexit", the deadline for exiting might be extended, or there might be a new Brexit vote. Whether or not any of those things can happen by March 29 seems to be questionable.

The other thing I learned is that at least the UK Parliament gets to vote on unpopular proposals, unlike here in the U.S. where none of our legislators want to vote on something controversial, as that might be held against them when they come up for reelection. In the meantime, I assume that the dictators of the world, in Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, etc. are really enjoying our democracies shooting themselves in the foot trying to make decisions and run our countries.

I guess what we are going through right now with our "partial government shutdown" in the U.S. is making me (and a lot of other people) kind of crazy. Still, I am interested in these issues in the hopes of discovering how they can be resolved. I also wish that our leaders would learn something about solving future problems and issues from these experiences, but likely that is too much to hope for.

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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #2

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I had hoped this forum would largely be free of Brexit posts as it is difficult to find a place to avoid the topic.

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Avoiding the politics of BREXIT, and having a lifetime (sentance?) working in International Supply Chain Management, I can let you know that goods will flow and trade will continue........there might be delays and disruption in the shorterm and some price adjustment in the medium term....but....life will continue. That is not a pro or anti BREXIT statement, just my informed view.

As an aside, I've currently got the unenviable role of making sure my companies supply chain (sizable international distributor) continues to function/trade through this political mess and any risk of disruption is mitigated. Around 90% of our risk is for goods flowing from continental EU (EU27) in to the UK...........I'm kept busy!

If BMW EU/UK have done their homework, they should have done the same and I'm sure have stockpiled critical service items etc to counter any initial short term disruption at ports/airports.....whether motorcycles are ranked high on BMW's priority list compared to say, material supply to car and engine/gearbox plants in the UK is another matter........I'm sure the aftermarket suppliers would be keen to fill any gaps.......

I apologize if I offended anyone for bringing up the "word", but I will admit to being fascinated by the complication of the entire process. It is much more interesting to me than what we are dealing with here in the U.S., which consists of just two groups playing "chicken" that will end just one way or another - after everyone else has sufficiently suffered. What is occurring in the UK is a huge complicated puzzle and how it eventually will be resolved will be something to see. Although, I will admit that I am happy that I don't "have any skin in the game". I note that the BBC World News on our National Public TV only spent only 10 minutes covering the subject last night. Now I will do my best not to bring up the "word" again.

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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #2

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I had hoped this forum would largely be free of Brexit posts as it is difficult to find a place to avoid the topic.

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A rare serious note from me -

Come on you guys. Have some respect for our British colleagues. Let's not do the tabloid stuff here. I mean, do you want them to start a thread about the Trump reality TV show? Or, do you get fed up with the constant media barrage and look to your motorcycle and fellow riders for diversion? ....

OK..., now you've forced me to take a therapeutic ride in the slush, and flush and clean everything when I get back.

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