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#18 | RE: Helmet prices in US vs UK/EU.
Mon Apr 22, 2024 8:04 pm (Last edited: Mon Apr 22, 2024 8:05 pm)
Mon Apr 22, 2024 8:04 pm (Last edited: Mon Apr 22, 2024 8:05 pm)
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But, the US helmets would have been DOT certified and are independently tested. So, the they've passed a penetration test and the possibility of localized weakness (designing for the old 22.05 impact points) is moot. As for the oblique tests, they are new, but the mandated performance criteria is so low (i.e., non-stressing) any prior 22.06 helmet would likely pass. Old Forum Orphan |
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Zitat von Freddyfruitbat im Beitrag #17Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #16 They're also supposed to be quieter.
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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #18 Should have said .......... any prior 22.05 helmet would........
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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #18 Does that even matter (other than having an issue if stopped…not that one can’t buy DOT decals and put them on…the authorities won’t know the difference)? Last I checked, the EU sets higher standards for safety than the US does for helmet safety.
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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #21Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #18 In terms of impact energy at a given point, the DOT standard (using two hits) specifies higher impact energy levels than ECE 22.05 or 06. The DOT standard appears to allow higher shock loads (400g) than the ECE standard (275g), but includes an added stipulation to limit the duration of the shock event (g-levels must not exceed "X" for an interval of "y" m-sec) which appears to dominate the impact testing and effectively lower the peak allowable G-levels. The other big difference between the DOT and ECE standards is the hemisphere anvil used in the DOT tests. It concentrates the impact load and dictates the total thickness of the EPS (styrofoam) liner. The effective softness (density) of the EPS liner is determined/characterized by the impact tests on the flat anvil. So, while it's an old standard, the DOT helmet standard is still relevant and comparable to the ECE standards. The weakness of the DOT approach is the self-certification which is common for US regulations. However, US DOT has increased their independent testing of products on the market.
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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #21Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #18 Do you have exclusions in health insurance cover that mandates wearing an approved helmet or would that be considered a breach of human rights for the interminably thick? Over here, we only need to buy health insurance if travelling overseas. My policy allows riding a motorcycle but stipulates I must wear a helmet. I am pretty sure an underwriter would only pay out for a head injury if I could demonstrate I was wearing a legal helmet.
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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #23Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #21Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #18 Over here, we have declining life expectancy.........
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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #23 Well, for the USA, first they would have to prove the helmet WAS NOT "certified" (DOT)...which isn't something medical personnel, police or insurance carriers bother to look into about once they know the rider was wearing a helmet...just as they don't take action if your helmet is 10-15 years old, had prior damage, and/or was not secured to your melon properly. Then, second, they would have to prove the lack of DOT certification was the proximate cause of the injuries. Odds are that any impact that would compromise an EU-certified helmet would likely be just as devastating to the rider as if he was wearing a DOT-certified helmet. For reference, I've worked in law offices dealing with workers' compensation and personal injury defense. It's more about who is liable for the injuries, and in the USA, "you take your victim as you found them." Maybe, at best, negligence by the injured party from their own bad choices will mitigate damages, but health insurance will pay the bills rather than spend the money to litigate when liability is established. For me, though, it's more important to be using a helmet that has been certified by a credible standard than not wear a helmet (or a cheap half-helmet from WalMart) in the first place.
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I still see some (big-twin) riders wearing chrome helmets with spikes on the top, looking like chrome versions of WWI German officer helmets around here. However, I have never noticed if they are DOT approved.
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But I do wonder who would be liable if the rider comes off the bike and skewers a third party with that spike. Would it be the rider for wearing it or the helmet manufacturer for selling it to brain dead consumers? 
One thing is for sure, the cops don't seem to care what is worn in the way of a "helmet".
Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #26 Come to a state with no or partial helmet laws. You'll rarely see a helmet, especially amongst the cruiser crowd.
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Zitat von Paul911 im Beitrag #28 in the past, you got the same helmets with different names - we had XR, you had RF etc does that still happen or are have they abandoned that to save costs & marketing expenses?
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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #26 I'm pretty sure we would have heard of it, and indeed seen the pictures, if this ever did come to pass  |
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